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Published on May 9, 2008 By OckhamsRazor In Music

Remember when musicians actually played notes?  Remember when musicians were actually good at the instrument they played?  Remember when they even *played* instruments?  These days to be a musician, musical ability and knowledge is the LAST thing that's important.  Image is far more important.

 

Fortunately, there have been some very talented musicians in my life time.  Maybe I'm a musical snob, but I like it when musicians actually have musical talent.  Call me crazy.

 

Happy Birthday Billy Joel.  Some folks may not be as impressed with your lyrical ability, your instrumental ability, your ability to arrange and orchestrate without help from software; in other words, your integrity as someone who calls himself a musician.  

 

I am, however.  Have a great birthday.


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on May 11, 2008
As usual, I wrote what I meant poorly. What I mean is that when a recording company is looking for new "talent," talent in music is the last talent they seem to be looking for. A marketable image is first. And notice what happens to a musician that speaks out against the recording industry. They vanish - almost over night. Fiona Apple anyone?


I see now what you're talking about. I've never really considered that sort of thing (ie marketable images) to be significant, but I guess if you look at it in terms of airtime and sales it is.
It's still very easy to find extremely good independent music though, so I really don't see what the issue is. Major radio channels like triplej and the sydney/melbourne networks make it easy, and if you're into classical most towns have a band or two. Your mileage may vary though in the US, but considering how many US bands get airtime over here it can't be that bad.
on May 11, 2008
maybe even likable snobs.


Most definitely! Haha, I was kinda...eh...about you guys before I "got to know you", but now, I am convinced that the two of you will rule the world someday. LOL. Seriously though, I have come to respect and really appreciate both you and Ock. You are both very like-able, but scary smart people!

(And before anyone asks why I am still up, it's Mother's Day Eve, and I can do what I want...including drink Lime Bud Light and stay awake way past bedtime!)
on May 11, 2008

I know I have called you a music snob before, and I STILL think you're a music snob, but this article and your (and Asaxy's) replies have helped me understand your position better.

 

Brandie, you should give yourself some props.  Now when I talk about my feelings on this subject, I *try* to be careful to explain myself in such a way that shows that it isn't snobbery.  It's just LOVE for those that craft and compassion for crafters being marginalized by dollars and big business.  Mass production gets a lot of product to the economy quick, but quality suffers.  In a lot of cases, demand makes it economically necessary to mass produce.  Music is NOT one of those cases, but it's getting mass produced anyway.  Why?  Because the consumer really doesn't know anything different, and in the case of music, many of them seem to actually prefer that their music be served in a Happy Meal™ box at a drive thru.  There are tons of awesome musicians (read: supply) out there as SC mentioned.  The product is there already.  There is no need to accept the mass production of the recording/television industry.

 

We have a joke in the musicians community.  "People hear with their eyes."  I have actually had people walk up to me and say "You guys sure look loud" based on our speakers.  I am often given to lament that people don't realize how often they are doing that.  As long as people continue to hear with their eyes, the music industry will be happy to feed their eyes which is exactly what they mostly do these days.  It's way easier to dress up a turd than it is to teach it to sing.

on May 11, 2008

I know I have called you a music snob before, and I STILL think you're a music snob, but this article and your (and Asaxy's) replies have helped me understand your position better

 

Ditto for me too!  I remember a diagreement, make that difference of opinion we had once...can't remember what blog, but I used to think of you as a musical snob...and still do but now with more kindness and affection because I see where you're coming from!

 

I agree with you a lot about the dumbing down of music and that it is mostly about image and how much money the big wigs make now and it's sad. But it's also the way of the world now.  I hae it when I reflect and go back in the past, making a comment or referring to someone who my kids should know about or have heard about and they look at me with blank stares asking me "who...?"  I"m aghast at how many times I've experienced this with them and their friends! It's very frustrating!  I wonder what the heck the kids of today are learning.  The three Rs are important, but what about the basics? 

 

So yes...I feel your nostalgia and dare I say pain..?  I love, LOVE Billy Joel too...absolutely enjoy his music and I was watching him recently on television and it was a pleasure!  Now let me shut up...sorry I rambled!

on May 11, 2008

As usual, I wrote what I meant poorly. What I mean is that when a recording company is looking for new "talent," talent in music is the last talent they seem to be looking for. A marketable image is first.

Ah, yes, I agree completely.  But popular music has always been as much about image as the music itself, right from the earliest days of rock and roll.  If Elvis had been an ugly mother, I don't think his voice alone would have sustained his career.  Or if The Beatles didn't have the image to back up their music, well, who knows what might have happened.  It is even more so prevalent in these days of OTT music video productions.

The problem with Fiona Apple and a few others is that she bit the hand that was feeding her (not that I disagreed with anything she said).  She, however, has a good fan base and could very well put her music out without the aid of a record company by doing what a few others have done (Radiohead and Nine Inch Nails to name a few) by making their music available online for anyone to download.

My issue is that WE let them do this by not being informed, or just plain not caring what criteria are necessary to label something as "good." We let the recording industry aka businessmen, not musicians, tell us what is good. Of course, in America at least, the major part of the population is led around by what television popularizes. Again, all it would take is some care on the part of the viewers to get informed and then form their own opinions, but I guess at the end of a workday, it's easier to pick your opinion from a list of common choices. The most common choice is to pick whatever is most popular, and then stamp one's foot and say "Who are YOU to say this isn't good? Who are YOU to tell me what criteria blah blah blah." If you dig into the "why" with these people, it gets clear real fast they don't know why. They just want to fit in.

You're dead right, mate.  I agree completely.  I don't listen to much popular music.  I research, read a lot, listen and make an informed and hopefully discerning choice.  Most people, however, want to be told about the latest pop 'sensation' or the latest under-dressed b-grade diva.  They want MTV or Channel V to dictate the next tshirt and haircut they'll have.  They want to be led around by the nose and told what to like.  While their is so much choice out there, people essentially don't want to choose.

Anyway, the way I see it, the pop market acts almost like a filter for me.  If something is in the charts, then there is a very good chance I won't like it. 

Maso - your response was right on. Hopefully you've clarified the way you (and I, and Ock, and Mari) feel about these kinds of things - because there are plenty of super-talented musicians out there.

SanCho - thanks mate, indeed there are.  Have you heard any Newton Faulkner, for instance?  He is really talented and a nice bloke to boot.  Check him out - YouTube has got a bunch of his songs.

Cacto,

I see now what you're talking about. I've never really considered that sort of thing (ie marketable images) to be significant, but I guess if you look at it in terms of airtime and sales it is. It's still very easy to find extremely good independent music though, so I really don't see what the issue is. Major radio channels like triplej and the sydney/melbourne networks make it easy, and if you're into classical most towns have a band or two. Your mileage may vary though in the US, but considering how many US bands get airtime over here it can't be that bad.

I don't necessarily agree that Triple J actually supports true indie music anymore.  In fact, I think they've become as bland in a lot of respects as any of the major commercial networks.  The major labels have a major presence in their playlists while a lot of indie music gets shoved aside.  Community radio, such as FBI, is where the truly independant musician and band can get their music heard.

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