A place where we practice random acts of insight and humor.
as per Robert A. Heinlein
Published on August 30, 2007 By OckhamsRazor In Philosophy
Those who haven't seen the post should know that Champas Socialist recently did something most of us would be petrified to do - a standup comedy gig. In a response, I mentioned loving comedy, and Jythier responded "probably because it's so funny, eh Ock?" To which I replied, basically, that it was that and my understanding of the nature of humor but that that subject was another blog. That's the backstory, and here is that blog.



In order to begin, I should mention first that this will be a fairly long entry, because I plan to write out a rather longish quote from Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land. And before I can do even that, some background on the premise of that book, and at least one term in the quote, are necessary.

The premise. Somewhere in the future, an expedition set out for Mars. On the way, a baby was born - the protagonist of the story, Mike. The ship crashed on Mars, and all died except the baby. The baby was then raised by Martians who lived a totally different, and arguably far more emotionally and ethically advanced lifestyle than those of us on Earth.

Mike was eventually recovered by humans, and in a strange twist of legalities, it made Mike, at least in terms of the Earthlings, the owner of Mars. And of course, because he was raised by the Old Ones on Mars, Mike, though in a human body, was quite martian. There's the premise.

The one word you may need explanation for is grok. Grok means "to know in complete fullness." So if you grok something, you far more than just understand it in a basic way - you understand it in every fathomable way and from every angle.

So, with all that said (whew), here is the quote which I feel does a good job of explaining the nature of laughter.



When he had first seen a zoo, Mike had been much upset; Jill had been forced to order him to wait and grok, as he had been about to take immediate action to free all the animals. He had conceded presently, under her arguments- that most of these animals could not stay alive free in the climate and environment where he proposed to turn them loose~that a zoo was a nest . . of a sort. He had followed this first experience with many hours of withdrawal, after which he never again threatened to remove all the bars and glass and grills. He explained to Jill that the bars were to keep people out at least as much as to keep the animals in, which he had failed to grok at first. After that Mike never missed a zoo wherever they went.

But today even the unmitigated misanthropy of the camels could not shake Mike's moodiness; he looked at them without smiling. Nor did the monkeys and apes cheer him up. They stood for quite a while in front of a cage containing a large family of capuchins, watching them eat, sleep, court, nurse, grooms and swarm aimlessly around the cage, while Jill surreptitiously tossed them peanuts despite "No Feeding" signs.

She tossed one to a medium sized monk; before he could eat it a much larger male was on him and not only stole his peanut but gave him a beating, then left. The little fellow made no attempt to pursue his tormentor; be squatted at the scene of the crime, pounded his knucks against the concrete floor, and chattered his helpless rage. Mike watched it solemnly. Suddenly the mistreated monkey rushed to the side of the cage, picked a monkey still smaller, bowled it over and gave it a drubbing worse than the one he had suffered-after which he seemed quite relaxed. The third monk crawled away, still whimpering, and found shelter in the arm of a female who had a still smaller one, a baby, on her back. The other monkeys paid no attention to any of it.

Mike threw back his head and laughed-went on laughing, loudly and uncontrollably. He gasped for breath, tears came from his eyes; he started to tremble and sink to the floor, still laughing.

"Stop it, Mike!"

He did cease folding himself up but his guffaws and tears went on. An attendant hurried over. "Lady, do you need help?"

"No. Yes, I do. Can you call us a cab? Ground car, air cab, anything -I've got to get him out of here." She added, "He's not well."

"Ambulance? Looks like he's having a fit."

"Anything!" A few minutes later she was leading Mike into a piloted air cab. She gave the address, then said urgently. "Mike, you've got to listen to me. Quiet down."

He became somewhat more quiet but continued to chuckle, laugh aloud, chuckle again, while she wiped his eyes, for all the few minutes it took to get back to their flat. She got him inside, got his clothes off, made him lie down on the bed. "All right, dear. Withdraw now if you need to."

"I'm all right. At last I'm all right."

"I hope so." She sighed. "You certainly scared me, Mike."

"I'm sorry, Little Brother. I know. I was scared, too, the first time I heard laughing."

"Mike, what happened?"

"Jill ... I grok people!"

"Huh?" ("!!??")

("I speak rightly, Little Brother. I grok.") "I grok people now, Jill Little Brother . . . precious darling , little imp with lively legs and lovely lewd lascivious lecherous licentious libido . . beautiful bumps and pert posterior . . . with soft voice and gentle hands. My baby darling."

"Why, Michael!"

"Oh, I knew all the words; I simply didn't know when or why to say them . . . nor why you wanted me to. I love you, sweetheart-I grok 'love' now, too."

"You always have. I knew. And I love you ... you smooth ape. My darling."

"'Ape,' yes. Come here, she ape, and put your head on my shoulder and tell me a joke."

"Just tell you a joke?"

"Well, nothing more than snuggling. Tell me a joke I've never heard and see if I laugh at the right place. I will, I'm sure of it-and I'll be able to tell you why it's funny. Jill ... I grok people!"

"But how, darling? Can you tell me? Does it need Martian? Or mindtalk?"

"No, that's the point. I grok people. I am people ... so now I can say it in people talk. I've found out why people laugh. They laugh because it hurts so much . . . because it's the only thing that'll make it stop hurting."

Jill looked puzzled. "Maybe I'm the one who isn't people. I don't understand."

"Ah, but you are people, little she ape. You grok it so automatically that you don't have to think about it. Because you grew up with people. But I didn't. I've been like a puppy raised apart from other dogs-Who couldn't be like his masters and had never learned how to be a dog. So I had to be taught. Brother Mahmoud taught me, Jubal taught me, lots of people taught me . . . and you taught me most of all. Today I got my diploma-and I laughed. That poor little monk."

"Which one, dear? I thought that big one was just mean ... and the one I flipped the peanut to turned out to be just as mean. There certainly wasn't anything funny."

"Jill, Jill my darling! Too much Martian has rubbed off on YOU. Of course it wasn't funny-it was tragic. That's why I had to laugh. I looked at a cageful of monkeys and suddenly I saw all the mean and cruel and utterly unexplainable things I've seen and heard and read about in the time I've been with my own people and suddenly it hurt so much I found myself laughing."

"But- Mike dear, laughing is something you do when something is nice - . . not when it's horrid."

"Is it? Think back to Las Vegas- When all you pretty girls came out on the stage, did people laugh?"

"Well ... no."

"But you girls were the nicest part of the show. I grok now, that if they had laughed, you would have been hurt. No, they laughed when a comic tripped over his feet and fell down ...or something else that is not a goodness."

"But that's not all people laugh at."

"Isn't it? Perhaps I don't grok all its fullness yet. But find me something that really makes you laugh, sweetheart . . . a joke, or anything else-but something that gave you a real belly laugh, not a smile. Then we'll see if there isn't a wrongness in it somewhere and whether you would laugh if the wrongness wasn't there." He thought. "I grok when apes learn to laugh, they'll be people."

"Maybe." Doubtfully but earnestly Jill started digging into her memory for jokes that had struck her as irresistibly funny, ones which had jerked a laugh out of her . . . incidents she had seen or heard of which had made her helpless with laughter:

"-her entire bridge club."..."Should I bow?"..."Neither one, you idiot -- instead!"..."-the Chinaman objects."..."-broke her leg."..."-make trouble for me!"..."-but it'll spoil the ride for me."..."-and his mother-in-law fainted."..."Stop you? Why, I bet three to one you could do it!"..."-something has happened to Ole."..."-and so are you, you clumsy ox!"

She gave up on "funny" stories, pointing out to Mike that such were just fantasies, not real,.and tried to recall real incidents. Practical jokes? All practical jokes supported Mike's thesis, even ones as mild as a dribble glass-and when it came to an interne's notion of a.practical joke-Well, internes and medical students should be kept in cages. What else? The time Elsa Mae had lost her monogrammed panties? It hadn't been funny to Elsa Mae. Or the- She said grimly, "Apparently the pratfall is the peak of all humor. It's not a pretty picture of the human race, Mike."

"Oh, but it is!"

"Huh?"

"I had thought-I had been told-that a 'funny' thing is a thing of a goodness. It isn't. Not ever is it funny to the person it happens to. Like that sheriff without his pants. The goodness is in the laughing itself. I grok it is a bravery . . . and a sharing . . . against pain and sorrow and defeat."

"But- Mike, it is not a goodness to laugh at people."

"No. But I was not laughing at the little monkey. I was laughing at us People. And I suddenly knew that I was people and could not stop laughing." He paused. "This is hard to explain, because you have never lived as a Martian, for all that I've told you about it. On Mars there is never anything to laugh at. All the things that are funny to us humans either physically cannot happen on Mars or are not permitted to happen- sweetheart, what you call 'freedom' doesn't exist on Mars; everything is planned by the Old Ones-or the things that do happen on Mars which we laugh at here on Earth aren't funny because there is no wrongness about them. Death, for example."

"Death isn't funny."

"Then why are there so many jokes about death?

(c) 1961 by Robert A. Heinlein



As always, comments most welcome

Comments
on Aug 30, 2007
It has been a long time since I read Stranger.  Thanks for bringing it back.  IN all the years since, I have yet to prove Heinlein wrong.  It took an outsider to coin a usage for a word that was not right, that was perfect in its usage.  Wrongness.  You have to marvel at how these writers can dream up these things.  When reading, we lose ourselves in worlds we have never seen, yet neither have they.  Except in their imagination.
on Aug 30, 2007
Thanks for bringing it back

My pleasure. There are tons of interesting concepts in Stranger, as you well know. For some reason the one in this blog was always of particular fascination to me - probably because of that "dawning on me" feeling of the seeming truth of it coupled with the wonder of "Now why didn't I notice that before?"
on Aug 30, 2007
(and a malfunctioning computer, hahaha, so if i'm not around for a few days or longer, that's why, hahahha.)


DOH! Anything JoeComputerGeek can help with?
on Aug 30, 2007
That was a really fascinating passage.  It makes sense to.  Thanks for posting that.
on Aug 30, 2007
I remember you saying you do lots of online shopping. And understandbaly so. But a lot of those places are notorious for dataminers and stuff that will grind your computer (and Mari's, because she does a lot of online shopping, too) to a halt.

Spybot Search and Destroy is awesome, and FREE! Pretty damn fast, too...relative to other S&D programs I've used. Just derailing and shamelessly bumping my thread here.

Ciao
on Aug 30, 2007
'Stranger...' is one of my most favourite books by one of my most favourite authors. And this particular passage goes a long way to explaining humanity's sense of humour, particularly about less than humourous subjects.

I going to have to go back and read 'Stranger...' again.

on Aug 30, 2007

I going to have to go back and read 'Stranger...' again.

As soon as I finish the new Dune, I think I will as well.

on Sep 02, 2007
Really good, I didn't know whether to laugh or cry....

have ya ever laughed while at a funeral? uhuh....I did once...

good post!
on Oct 05, 2007
Until I was 20 I had a vestigial thumb on my left 'hand'. It was attached to the main stump by nothing but a neck of flesh, and was itself merely a ball of meat with a large and ugly nail attached. At some point I discovered that I could twist this ball through 360 degrees - and then let it spin back to its normal orientation.

I had it amputated when I was 20 because it beacame prone to serious and extremely painful infections. But until then, I never failed to do my little 'party-trick' whenever I was in public and became aware that I was the object of surreptitious observation. Those observing never failed to turn green and look away as rapidly as they could.

Which was funnier? Or crueller? The gimp who tortured himself in public? Or the horrified reaction of the 'normal' people watching? I don't know. But I always laughed.
on Oct 05, 2007
Like My old Mother says: "If I didn't laugh I'd cry."
on Oct 06, 2007
To: little whip

Just as a point of fact, it became infected because it had what's known as a 'parrot's-bill' nail. This has exactly the shape the name implies and grows downward, into the flesh, as it grows in length. It's also hard as iron. In order to trim it, my mother made me soak the thing in hot water for 30 minutes prior to cutting it.

Whatever dirt had inched its way beneath the nail was inevitably ground deep into the flesh. Why this became a problem only in my early twenties I have no idea, but after a series of especially painful infections I finally decided to have it removed. Twenty seven years later I still have 'phantom' sensations of it being there, and the scar tissue is horribly sensitive. The pain caused by any injury in that area is only equalled by that of a severe blow to the testicles. It's just as debilitating and just as long lasting.

The actual twisting caused relatively little pain, because the majority of the nerves involved are located at the site of the scar, what was the 'base' of the 'thumb'. The actual neck had very few nerves (or so I was told) and suffered little in the way of pain.

But those around me did. To my delight.

At a different level but in a similar vein... many years later I used to go drinking with a friend who had lost both his arms. He had been a trawlerman, and had gotten both his arms caught in the nets as they were being hauled aboard the trawler. The winches had ripped both his arms from their sockets. Because his arms had been pulled off rather than being cut he suffered very little loss of blood relatively speaking (the major veins and arteries had snapped back, sealing themselves shut) and survived the incident with little difficulty. He was equipped with two fearsome looking hooks (as I, at around eighteen or nineteen, had been similarly equipped)and we made a very impressive picture as we dropped all three hooks on the bar one after the other.

He and I drank in some very rough places, both alone and together. But not a soul ever bothered us. Which was entirely sensible, because I used to use mine to rip open cans and a skull would have been pierced just as easily as a can, if not more so.

His name was Arthur. He was a good mate. He had a fund of stories about his time as a trawlerman, and not the least trace of self-pity. We got along very well together.