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Published on April 15, 2008 By OckhamsRazor In Ethics

Not only is this a rant, but it's a ramble, too.  I just got back from 9 days aboard a ship, and every time I go to one of these things, I see stuff that for me, at least, is a clear indicator of why the gears are starting to grind more often.  Morale on most of the ships I've been on is very low, but guess what?  It isn't because of the job itself.  It's something else - something deep.  So, in order to deal with it, I just started writing in a word document about some little things that bug me.  It isn't well written, but I publish it because...well, because that's all I ever intended this blog to be for.  For me to spew whatever I wanted to now and again.

 

Enjoy.  Or don't.




Once upon a time, men were conscripted into armed services.  They were conscripted by various means - law and societal pressure being the most prevalent.  Yes, there have been times when lots of people joined for a cause sparked by some international event, but for the most part, people don't grow up aspiring to kill others or be killed by others in a war.

 

These days, the military is different.  People join it voluntarily, but their choice to do so is varied.  Most do not actually want to go to some war and put their lives on the line for what they believe.  Hell...many would be hard pressed to tell you, and defend with anything that remotely resembles reason, what exactly it was that they DID believe.  The truth of the matter is, the military is a place to turn for many people that have no other marketable skills.  It's also a good place to go do a quick 4 years and walk out with a lot of college money.  The military offered me, as a musician, far more than the guy that ran the bar down the street.  That guy would have me play four hours a night for a pittance and no future.  So it isn't a stretch that I joined.  It was a good business decision for my family.  For our survival.

 

Over the 17 years I have been in, I have heard a lot of rhetoric.  Things like "Mission first, people always," and a whole bunch of lip flapping about "honor, courage, and commitment."  And then I walk by the closest 15 parking spaces to the commissary which are reserved for O-6 (high ranking officer) and above and it makes me wince.  Not because I want to park closer, but because it is so clear to me that the words "people always" are Orwellian in nature.  It’s “people always, but me first.”  In the military, all are created equal, but some are more equal than others. 

 

It is necessary in the military (and I would argue in ANY business) for some person to be definitively in charge - to lead the way ahead.  But why is it necessary to magnify the value of those in charge to the point that they get better parking privileges? (And hopefully you realize that parking is just an example of a whole trend of other perks that the "more equal" set gets)  It has been said that "rank has its privileges" but that is an outdated counterproductive way of thinking in today's age.  We are one team, set to accomplish one mission, and no person on that team should receive one iota less treatment in something that has nothing to do with that mission.  This includes who gets to sit where on a plane, who gets to board the plane first, who gets the first meal, what time liberty expires, best parking places, best housing, and etc... 

 

The people that join the military, though they do so for varied reasons, are preached to from the outset, that the military is one big team.  That every person doing his or her job is of equal importance, and they're right.  With downsizing of the military and limited funds an increasing political camping ground, every person doing his or her job IS of the utmost importance.  It is for this reason that I suggest lines between ranks need to be erased.  It isn't so that Private First Class Schmuckatelly gets to burn less calories on his long walk to the commissary door.  It's because if we're all the same team, then why are clean lines of differing values of individuals on the "one team" being drawn?  The answer is simple.  So that some team members can be more equal than others.  In other words, it's a lie.

 

Admirals live in large houses with servants, people to cook their meals, and a wealth of people, military and civilian alike, to do their bidding.  They have people to screen their e-mail.  And I grant - they have some rough decisions to make, and sometimes the things they do can be the deciding factor between failure and victory.  That’s why they get paid more money.  Why do they need more compensation beyond what they're paid if they value a "one team" concept so highly? 

 

Here's the real truth.  While they’re spouting off about the one team, they secretly harbor the belief that they deserve more than just their paycheck over the guy whose job it is to clean the toilets.  It's "Mission first, people always, as long as I get mine off the top."  And why do I say this?  Because I believe in honor, perhaps foolishly, and I have the courage to say it, and I'm committed to the idea that all people are created equally.

 

I remember one time me and three guys in my band were flying back from somewhere on an Admiral's plane.  And there were cooks on the plane!  And they were serving breakfast like it was a restaurant!!  And they started to serve us and went to me first because I outranked the guys I was with.  I said "screw that...serve them first.  I can wait."  It wasn't that I was trying to be noble.  It's just that the idea that because I had some extra stitching on my sleeve made me more valuable than they were made me sick to my stomach.

 

The fear I have is that rank-based respect will be our undoing.  It may seem trivial to the average reader that I resent having to call a man "sir," with the clear implication that I am "not a sir," to a guy who was in diapers when I graduated high school.  But I have seen the effects of this rank based thinking, and it isn't good.  People deserve respect based on their merits that they prove over a period of time, and it doesn't matter whether they are enlisted, officer, or how many years they have in.  If their character, and especially their competency, is such to warrant the respect of the people around them, they need to be compensated as such.  And I don't care if it's an 18 year old Seaman Recruit just out of boot camp who happens to be a ninja at his job or if it's a venerable Admiral who's seen a world that's hurting and has had to make some tough decisions along the way.  If the "one team" paradigm is going to work, it means that each team member has an equal value.  Extra perks that accumulate with every 10 cent stripe you add to your costume – er, I mean uniform - are an indicator that “one team” is just more rhetoric.  And though the financial compensation may differ due to the gravity of the situations dealt with and the responsibilities that must be born along with those decisions, the individual team members will not be at their best on the "one team" if they are taught to perceive themselves as "less than."  Cloths don’t make the man, I hear.  Well rank doesn’t either.

 

Rank is archaic.  It's unnecessary.  And it makes people on the "one team" feel like they aren't a major part of that one team when, in fact, they most definitely are.  Once upon a time, it worked and it made sense.  Today, not so much in my opinion.


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on Apr 26, 2008
Thank you Asaxy.

In my experience, in dual military couples, the female spouse typically has a great deal of disdain for military wives who are not also serving (and honestly, I can understand why...there is no comparison between being a wife/mother/Soldier and being a wife and mother). It is really uplifting to read what you have to say about the experience of being a military spouse.

I appreciate it. It is something that is hard to understand the scope of until you have experienced it yourself. I know you are busy, but I would LOVE to read an article from you on that topic! You articulate it so well and you have incredible insights regarding the whole experience.

Thanks again. You made my evening.
on Apr 26, 2008
JHU is at the top of the stack in my area of study


Are you a scientist? Your friend graduated from med school, right? What do you study? A research officer like the dude from I Am Legend?
on Apr 26, 2008
A research officer like the dude from I Am Legend?


I never thought about it that way before. But now that I AM thinking about it, haha, Mari, you are BAD ASS!!! LOL.
on Apr 26, 2008
Would it satisfy you if I said that what your son went through was far more difficult than what any other service member has ever gone through,


No TW that's not my point. I'm comparing VMI to a regular college ROTC program and there's a huge diff. As far as comparing VMI to basic...I said I'm not sure what the diff would be exactly. As far as what they're going thru in Iraq? No comparison.

I have two brothers who went into the Navy. One was enlisted in Nuclear Subs and in for 10 years. One was an officer and a pilot and was in longer deployed during the Gulf War flying P3 Oriens. They both told me the stories. My dad was enlisted in the 50's. I have a nephew who went to the AF Academy but dropped out within a year.

I can only go by what the boys tell me. My brother told me some stuff about being put into a small box (he's over 6 ft), pounded on and thrown down a hill in basic. It was terrifying to him. It wasn't easy. Is that the same as VMI? I'd say so, but how can one compare? My Dad will tell you what Brian went thru was tougher than what he went thru already. Right now, I'd say Brian's got it easy (he's gonna kill me for saying that)  

At VMI they couldn't have a radio, a cell phone, a car, a job, food outside of the cafe, a coffepot in their dorms or even civilian clothes other than a bathrobe. They lived in cement cell blocks, slept on wooden beds subject to sweat parties in the middle of the night that was terrifying, took cold showers running outside to do so in their bathrobes and hoping to God they didn't run into an upperclassman when they did so. This went on for a good three years. As a senior they were allowed a cell and a car.

How many drop out in the six weeks of basic in comparison to a tough all military college? I'm not sure.

KFC, be proud of your son but don't for a moment think he is any better than another officer or enlisted service member who has chosen to serve their country. Where you go to school is not equivalent to who you are. You still have to earn the respect.


I agree whole heartedly!



on Apr 26, 2008
KFC, here's the thing. You only know what your son went through, and you are trying to extrapolate and compare that to things you don't know about.

I know of things my husband has done and experienced that I don't share here. And I won't.

This whole "my x is better than any y" thing is silly.

on Apr 27, 2008
Father's Advice:
Do not join the Army. It is a lot like playing World of Warcraft with your life. You will always have to listen to some dimwit who knows far less than you do, just because he has been in longer.


Tell me one career field where you don't have to listen to some dimwit who knows far less than you do, just because he's been in it longer.
on Apr 27, 2008

Just because a paradigm exists doesn't mean it should.  It continues to exist because so many people say "Well, that's just the way it is."

 

Once upon a time, the Swiss were known for their watches.  Best watches in the world, supposedly.  Then some guy got the bright idea to make this new fangled thing called "Digital Watches."  The Swiss pooh-poohed the idea and wouldn't have anything to do with it.

 

The Japanese on the other hand had no such paradigm about what made a watch "good."  Can you say Seiko?  I knew you could.

 

Paradigms for the loss.

on Apr 27, 2008

So...yes, I am like the research officer depicted by Will Smith in "I Am Legend" but much less buff or good looking.

 

And fortunately, she doesn't have a penis, either.  This was part of the agreement before we got married.  She can't have a penis.

on Apr 27, 2008
I study proteins...specifically proteins that appear or disappear when liver cancer develops


Do you perform a lot of "microarrays"? Have you ever come a conclusion that directly led to a cure for a certain type of cancer?
on Apr 27, 2008
One of the most rewarding things I have done is mentor students. One of the high school students contributed significant work on one of our projects and she is listed as one of the authors.


Wow, I wish I had had an opportunity like that. I had to teach myself science in high school from a boring textbook, and I am thankful for the textbook.

A lot of my scientific peers at Emory are Asian minorities. I think the tendency of American mainstream culture to lend itself towards anti-intellectualism hurts our scientific muscle. If we keep it up, soon keepn' it real will be a chapter in a history book.
on Apr 27, 2008
I don't agree with this at all. Been a mom to a kid who bravely hung on while watching his classmates drop like flies during his four years at a prestigious but not "The Academy" military school. It's not like any local college at all. In fact they COULD NOT hold jobs during the year. They started with a class of 400 and ended barely with 200. It was a brutal 4 years. Check into the Rat Line sometime and see how very unlike it is from other ROTC schools. They had to literally crawl thru a mud trench and up a hill to break thru the line while the upperclassmen kicked them down a hill. When they made it up the hill, covered in mud, they were no longer considered Rats. They broke thru the line. They were treated like rats all up until this very memorable day.

I knew one mom who called the school and demanded they feed her son. Of course she couldn't give his name. All our sons lost a drastic amount of weight that first year. It was like prison. It looks like a prison. Cement everything. Not cushy at all. They slept on wood. It was gut wrenching for a mom to know (or not know) what was going on behind those doors. It's NOTHING like other ROTC schools by a long shot.


KFC, of course you don't agree with it. You listened to his suffering for four years. You are proud of him (and should be) and don't want to be told it was all for nothing. It was for something, it was for graduation.

Every military college has their war stories.

I'm not taking anything away from these kids, what I am saying is FACT..the AF considers them second pool. ALL EQUAL. That's just the way it is.

In the class of 2006 for VMI there were 20 pilots commissioned for the AF alone some with 2.1 GPA's. There were maybe 7-8 for the Navy. Basically whoever wanted a pilot slot got one. My son had a pilot job lined up for him but he didn't want it. For most ROTC programs around the country outside of the Academy and VMI you had to be in the #1 slot to be given this same status. Certainly not 7-8 or 20 would be considered


Ya know I love ya, but you are dead wrong. For example, out of 18 ROTC grads at Wright State this year, 9 of them got AF pilot slots...that's 50% of the graduating class. And this is fairly typical every year. The same thing with Cedarville and University of Datyon ROTC grads and all three of these programs are under one ROTC program..which means about 30 pilots are coming into the AF from this one single program a year.

I understand a bit what you're saying but after seeing what my son went thru I understand the pride with the ring thing now. They deserved it after the hell they went thru making it all the way while watching many who did not. It was tough. Quite often they puked their guts out after being forced to drink warm milk and run up and down stairs...just for fun.

The Ring is their memory stone. To me Tova it's similar to the OT Fathers who would pile rocks up after a battle as a memorial to what they had gone thru. It's a precious reminder to them as well.


I am sure they earned their rings...but that was college, that was THEN, this is the MILITARY and its now...time to move on and move up, or get left behind. And it doesn't say much about a person's current career when they focus so much on what they ONCE did.

Don't get me wrong, there is a time and place for reminiscing, my point is, the more they do it, the less successful they tend to be in our experience.

Because of age and time it's alot easier to make the higher ranks for an Academy or ROTC over an NCO.


Actually, age and time has nothing to do with it. Everyone no matter which pool they are sucked from goes through the same rank/time structure.





on Apr 27, 2008

 KFC, if you check out most AF literature....you will see what I am talking about....here for example is a specialized AF Pilot Training Program....you see they classify the LTs coming the same way I did above...with the three pools.  They even put them in order, all the manuals and schools list them the same way.

It's not my policy or opinion, its just the way it is.

"Life as an Officer in Undergraduate Pilot Training

You will be in training with fellow officers from across the nation, Academy, ROTC, OTS, and AMS graduates.  Air Force UPT trains all active duty as well as Air National Guard and Air Force Reserve pilots.  In addition, student pilots from dozens of allied countries from around the world attend UPT and you can expect foreign national officers in your class."

All I am saying is this....There is a def line of demarcation between playing soldier in college, and actually being one.  Talking about playing soldier with a bunch of guys who ARE soliders is a joke.

Lts who have a hard time adjusting to this side of that line, make poor leaders, and usually are not allowed to stay long.  (That is our experience and my opinion.)

 http://www.baseops.net/militarypilot/upt_life.html

on Apr 27, 2008
Ya know I love ya, but you are dead wrong. For example, out of 18 ROTC grads at Wright State this year, 9 of them got AF pilot slots...that's 50% of the graduating class. And this is fairly typical every year. The same thing with Cedarville and University of Datyon ROTC grads and all three of these programs are under one ROTC program..which means about 30 pilots are coming into the AF from this one single program a year.


just pretend we're on the phone talking........hahaha...I should call you soon.   

So how am I wrong? Tova....I said this:

For most ROTC programs around the country outside of the Academy and VMI you had to be in the #1 slot to be given this same status. Certainly not 7-8 or 20 would be considered


I said most. But even then that does seem high. Sounds like a good program. Do you think it has anything to do with it being in WP territory? Access to the base and all? How many got the pilots slots say at UMO? V-Tech? or Yale? But even then compare all what you said added up and compare it to VMI..one school with only 200 graduating students. I only know about 27 thru the AF and Navy from VMI. Not sure about the Army.

I read that 50% of the AF pilots come out of the AFA and the rest come out of all the other ROTC and OTS programs across the country.

I read this regarding ROTC programs. Most of this article has to do with accepting females and is dated, but you can see the high regard the Pentagon has for VMI's ROTC progam.

PENTAGON AT ODDS WITH WHITE HOUSE ON CITADEL, VMI
The federal government is running military officer training programs at Virginia Military Institute and The Citadel even as it pursues litigation accusing the military schools of illegal discrimination.

The Pentagon's continuing acceptance of and cooperation in training VMI and Citadel students, sources on both sides of the litigation acknowledged, seems to fly in the face of the Justice Department's protracted and expensive effort to get women into the schools.

But a Defense Department spokesman, Air Force Col. Douglas Kennett, last week reaffirmed the military's intention to keep Reserve Officers Training Corps programs at the schools unless a court declares they are breaking the law.

Those programs each year produce about 200 new officers, out of about 7,000 coming from ROTC programs nationwide. Ninety-four VMI grads were commissioned in 1994, fourth highest among ROTC programs; The Citadel, with 105 graduates awarded commissions, ranked third overall.

Because both schools have a record of producing high-quality officers, the military would resist suggestions that it withdraw ROTC from their campuses, Pentagon sources said.

Consider that VMI has very small graduating classes, about 200 or so.

http://scholar.lib.vt.edu/VA-news/VA-Pilot/issues/1995/vp950902/09020405.htm

I am sure they earned their rings...but that was college, that was THEN, this is the MILITARY and its now...time to move on and move up, or get left behind. And it doesn't say much about a person's current career when they focus so much on what they ONCE did.


who's saying they are? I was just responding to your flashing the rings around comment. They wear them and are proud to wear them but does that mean they are flashing them around by just wearing them? Is it like us with our wedding rings? Do we flash them around too in front of the single gals to make them feel bad? I don't. Do you? But yet we still wear them.....me 26 years later.

Actually, age and time has nothing to do with it. Everyone no matter which pool they are sucked from goes through the same rank/time structure


so, if you're enlisted for say 10 years going to school as you go...and decided you want to be commissioned....do you start as Captain? If not, are they not at a disadvantage age wise for starting later in order to get to those higher ranking positions? Wouldn't most, if not all get out before then? How far up will your husband go before he retires?










on Apr 27, 2008
"Life as an Officer in Undergraduate Pilot Training


I understand exactly what you're saying....that's why I said this:

Officially while the AF Academy does have the most presteige VMI has also for years been fighting to be considered on equal standing and for the most part are considered just below the Academy in standing.


maybe I'm listening to too many VMI grads out there but I've heard this quite a bit...maybe it's VMI pride...don't know for sure.

Also my brother who graduated from a small all Navy military college in Maine and was commissioned in the 80's. He ran into Annapolis Grads who got positions he should have got all things considered. He knew and felt the elitism coming from his branch. The Academies definitely take care of their own. He felt he had to work twice as hard as an Annapolis Grad in order to secure a given position.

All I am saying is this....There is a def line of demarcation between playing soldier in college, and actually being one. Talking about playing soldier with a bunch of guys who ARE soliders is a joke.


and I agree with this as well. Who's saying different? I'm not. My whole point was living breathing ROTC 24/7 compared to ROTC in a State College where they might have to get up early before classes to run for an hour.





on Apr 27, 2008
so, if you're enlisted for say 10 years going to school as you go...and decided you want to be commissioned....do you start as Captain? If not, are they not at a disadvantage age wise for starting later in order to get to those higher ranking positions? Wouldn't most, if not all get out before then? How far up will your husband go before he retires?


Depends on the job. Some fields start as a Captain (thinking medical here)..some start as a 2LT and some as a 1LT..depends. Age doesn't have anything to do with it. My husband was 28 when he became an officer. He still went through the same time limits for each rank, and still does. You have to be a certain rank for so long before you are considered for the next one. My husband will stay until he's ready to get out...right now it looks like about 30 years total time in service....but who knows?



who's saying they are? I was just responding to your flashing the rings around comment. They wear them and are proud to wear them but does that mean they are flashing them around by just wearing them? Is it like us with our wedding rings? Do we flash them around too in front of the single gals to make them feel bad? I don't. Do you? But yet we still wear them.....me 26 years later.


Of course wearing them isn't flashing them...however, many times in the AF when officers are in charge of troops who can't wear jewelry because of their job (safety issues) they will forgo the privilege themselves....when they don't, it is seen as flashing. That's one example, I think it was pretty clear who I was discussing....wearing a ring isn't the only thing, its one of a couple behaviors that seem to come together. That's why I said...

The first two pools, AF Academy guys and the ROTC(other military school) guys are bragging, fluffing feathers, flashing school rings like its a football game on a Friday night.


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