Whoever is pining over the fact that KFC is being unjustly dealt with can kiss my ass. The world has dealt with her kind for way too long, and I'm not in the least apologetic over someone who very clearly denies reason for the sake of making sure she "lives forever."

I'm sick and tired of these people.  I do not deny that there is a God.  I do not deny that it is a Christian God.  I don't deny any damn thing regarding God.  I just don't know.  That's called being honest.

But I will not suffer the illiterate musings of people that want to pretend that scientific fact is "inconvenient" to their beliefs.  Their entire premise is based on fear of not living forever, and I'm sick of it.  Everything in the Christian dogma is based on "Do this or else you won't live forever"  "Do this, or else you'll suffer for all eternity."

If ANY of you can struggle through Genesis and not leave saying "You've just got to be kidding" then I say you are an idiot.  Don't like it?  Let's take an intelligence test together and see who has a brain and who does not.  It isn't a conspiracy or a coincidence that highly intelligent people tend towards atheism.  It's a natural progression. 

IQ=147  Beat it or shut up.

Can, have, and did. I came out seeing that there are too many similarities between Genesis and other "creation" myths, or forgiveness stories (Noah's ark) from other cultures, all with different gods, or beings.  My opinion (one with some social scientific backing) is that Genesis was written to outdo these other creation/forgiveness tales, especially the prominant god of Babylon at the time, Marduk. (My god is better than your god...)

People will believe a varity of things that encourage them to face the struggles of this existence, including, but not limited to, God, demons, soulmates, aura's and other metaphysical ideas.  Perhaps to you it is a crutch, but to them, it is their lifeline.  It doesn't make them worse, or less intelligent, simply different.

As for those that are more intelligent tending towards atheism, I think that the most intelligent tend towards agnostism, because they understand that there is no possible way for them to know for sure.  (Einstein is one that comes to mind here.)

So, in terms of philosophy in regards to the age of the world, and existence of some god, I agree with you.  But, just as we tell the Christians about a variaty of matters, (abortion, gay marriage) if you don't like it, then don't participate in it.  If you believe that those that believe differently than you are below you in intelligence, than arguing with them isn't going to help them to comprehend any differently, it will only serve to validate their beliefs.

If you are right, and those that do believe in some sort of god are less intelligent, then they don't have the ABILITY to understand your point, and it just comes back around to... what is the point of endlessly arguing with them?

Agnosticism=atheism.  It is a misnomer that "atheist" means there is NOT a God.  You break it down in latin and get back to me.  I can't be bothered with dealing with presumptions.  Atheism only means "I don't actively believe in."  I'm just as sick of the fence sitting bullshit as I am anything else.  People think it's cool to be "agnostic" because they are admitting they "don't know."  Well, atheism is the exact same thing without being a fucking pussy about it.

If any one person in the universe sees this argument and stops living their life based on superstition, then I have done my job.  Do you honestly think I do it because I think KFC is going to suddenly become an atheist?  You don't think quite so deep as you are capable of (and yes, I see that you are capable of much more)

Well, considering that I have made that comment myself in regards to JU, (almost word for word, ironically), I can understand the sentiment, however that point can be made in the 4+ other threads that have the on-going debate regarding science/faith, could it not?

Ultimately, your blog, your choice of subjects.

As for agnostism/atheism, I looked into it, and you are correct.  (Not that you need me to tell you that.)  However agnostism isn't "sitting on the fence," as you put it, it's actually a philosophical view that refers to knowledge, (we can't know if there is a god), where as atheism/theism are usually regarding just belief (I don't/do believe in god).

So in our debates, those that don't believe in god because it can't be proven or disproven, are both agnostic, and atheists.  Thanks for the heads up on that.  One learns something new everyday.

Ock,

Dude, seriously - with all due respect - take your attitude and self righteousness and shove it where it doesn't shine.

You know, being an ass doesn't solve anything; been there and done that. Besides, what about Einstein? Oppenheimer? Franklin? Jefferson? All people who were incredibilty intelligent, but believed in something higher. I do agree though, that having read Genesis and other chapters in the bible, it does make you say what you said.

Psst, oh intelligent one...I'll give you a hint: Don't read their blogs; there is nothing forcing you to read them save your own curiousity.

(Doesn't take a genius to know that.)

Actually, I don't think it's cool to be agnostic. I just know that's where I am when it comes to the idea of god(s).. So quit being a jerk about it, kay?

IQ = 189 - I beat it, so you shut it.

Be well, ~Alderic

Haha.  Someone got his buttons pushed.  I'm such a puppeteer sometimes.  It wasn't my intention, though.

Dude, seriously, I don't give a fuck what you think.  This is my blog, and if you see something you don't like, just leave.  Go publish articles of your own...I couldn't care less who reads the shit I write, and I don't give a fuck what you think.  Can I be more clear?  For someone with an IQ of 189, which is 29 points higher than Albert Einstein, you don't seem so fucking bright to me.  You're an established liar and plagiarizer.  I have been pleasant with you up to this point, and I never ban anyone - mostly because what most people find ban-worthy, I find fucking hilarious.  And drop the "with all due respect" bullshit.  You don't really mean it, based on the surrounding sentiments, so don't bother saying it - it's wasted on me.  Got it, genius?

Uhhh...

You do realize that most IQ tests that would be accepted by, oh, Mensa,  don't score above 150, right?  Besides, it isn't the score that counts, because various tests rate differently, it's about the percentile that you fall into. 

Not to mention the fact that IQ tests are based on academic knowlege, and aren't necessarily representitive of one's cognitive abilities...

Obviously, but you did leave yourself open to comments. *shrugs* You may say you don't care, but if you didn't care then why even leave it open for comments? Why bother with the hassle and drama? And why comment back?

Yes, I realize that I don't look too bright at times; I'm willing to admit that and there's reasons for it, but I won't bother since you say you don't care. As for what I was established as - yes, I know I was stupid, immature, and many other things - years ago. (What was it, 2005/2006 or so?) (Oi, why the fuck is it, that whenever people have a problem with me they bring that up? What happened to burying the fucking past? Seriously)

Actually I do mean it. Yes, I shouldn't have lost my temper, and I apologize, but your attitude is fucking ridiculous. In fact, that doesn't even start to describe it really.You are acting just like KFC and Lula do at times.

Be well, ~Alderic

Yes I do, but since Mr. Razor here wanted to compare numbers *shrugs* I figured I would play along just to satisfy his ego and maybe shut him up. As for the tests - yes, they're (in my opinion) sketchy on cognitive abilities, hence one of my comments above.

Be well, ~Alderic

I leave it open for comments because sometimes people have interesting things to say that make me think.  You are misunderstanding me.  I don't care what people, in general, think - particularly if I find their arguments to be intellectually lacking.  You gave an argument that was intellectually lacking.

Furthermore, I didn't want to compare numbers, I just threw mine out.  It is as objective as the sky is blue that YOU then wanted to compare.  Don't believe me?  Scroll up.  Who posted the comparison?  You did.  What I did was offer anyone who couldn't make an objective sustainable intelligent response to just go away.

What you do NOT realize is that I'm living with my In-laws while we're trying to get a house into escrow, and I'm on leave from work, so I'm bored.  That means people like you are my play toy.  Keep responding, dude.  Button pushing is my favorite past time.  I am your mirror.  Whatever you see in the crap I write is just an image of your own insecurities...exactly like I planned it.

Actually, couldn't that be said of the world as a whole?  Everything we see and understand is a mirror of ourselves.  Thus the taoistic belief that studying the universe is the only way to truly understand yourself.

*shakes head*

Perhaps I misunderstood your intention. Taking into consideration everything, I figured you threw it out there to "compare sizes" as they say. *shrugs* Whatever, do whatever you want to do. 

You know, living with your in-laws doesn't justify being an asshole. Sorry, but it just doesn't. Hell, I lived with my mother and I wasn't an asshole. You're being like LW was, only she was worse. I'm not getting myself into this; i'm done.

Play your game if you want.

Be well, ~Alderic

Good Game.

The irony of posting on someones article is that you never really know what the writers intentions are because they can easily change their intentions as the conversation goes on. After all, they were the ones who wrote the article and are the only one's who know why and what they meant by it.

That I have to agree. To change the course of the argument just because you can to get thrills out of it seems rather childish to me, even if my IQ is no where near yours or Ocks. I enjoy a good argument like anyone else, but when people start throwing their brain scores around and somehow think of themselves beyond everyone elses comprehension, that's when I start laughing and finding the conversation childish. Why would I feel the ned to be smarter than others and show it off? I'm happy the way I am. Does believing in God make me less smart? Who cares? I'm not here to put my IQ to the test, I'm just looking for some entertainment.

I use to get swept up by articles like these. But I just tend to go with the flow, throw some spice in and see where it leads. I am curious by nature (probably would have been a good scientist or detective) and I always like to see how far something will go. Judging by Ocks comment above, I would say this has reached it end for now. For now.

Did ya ever just want to be childish just because?  You can really only do that in your own home.  People would think you were crazy...but are you?

What is a child, anyway?  We have a social agreement that at 18 years of age, a child becomes an adult.  Is that the truth?  They can die for their country at 18, but they can't drink a beer.  Do we judge that they are adults when they reach a certain responsibility level?  When they take certain actions that fit our personal criteria for adulthood?

A similar question can be asked - what is an adult?

You know, it's all really silly.  We're human beings when we're born, and as human beings we die.  Sometimes we do what would be considered by the masses a "good" thing, and sometimes it is a "bad" thing.  We create religion so we can pretend to have authority about which things are good and which are bad.  That authority is created because people with low IQs can't seem to figure it out for themselves - so we scare them into proper behavior, and we hire police to arrest them for bad behavior, and we incarcerate them when we can prove they have elicited bad behavior, and the whole thing is done under the pretense of "we are adults," and that = some random description that is agreed upon by a majority, but that doesn't necessarily make it true.

Today, the governor of South Carolina admitted he had an affair.  It was a poor judgement decision on his part - hope it was a good lay at least.  My point here is, is he now a child again because he made a decision utilizing the "wisdom of a child" as we might view it?  No.  He was never a child or an adult to start with.  He's a human - and we will judge him on a scale ranging from awful to awesome based on our own preconceived notions of what those values mean.  It's entirely subjective.

There's my dissertation on "childish."  It's actually been on my mind for quite some time, so thanks for bringing it up - I probably should just do a separate article on it.

Now, regarding IQs, this has always been an irritant of mine.  We look at a football player and compare him to another football player at the same position.  No one has any problem saying Player A is faster, can throw farther, makes more tackles, or makes more sacks.  No one bats an eye when we do that.  But bring up intelligence, and everyone has a fit.  Granted, a certain number does not insure rightness, but it certainly ups the odds.  I notice that the people that protest are usually the ones that don't score so well.  But I never notice them get upset because football player A can throw farther than them.  Weird, huh?

I wish there WERE an objective way to measure intelligence.  Unfortunately, there are many kinds of intelligence.  I wish every kind of intelligence could be objectively measured accurately.  And I have a question.  If it were so, would you defer to someone that was stamped as smarter than you in a debate?  I would.  I'd be like dude...you're a 150, I'm a 147.  You have my support.  I find that the people that protest tend to be the ones that rationalize why they don't measure up.  It's the system's fault.  It's my parent's fault.  But when you can't run the marathon in the same time as a professional runner, no one has a problem with it.  Everyone just says "well, he's a better runner than I am."  Why isn't it that way with thinking?  Lucas purports to be 189, but his actions and statements don't display it.  You could say the same for me - at 147, I'm not acting like a 147.  I wonder at what number do people start getting insecure about it.  100 is average.  So 100?   90?  110?  Curious.

So as a 147, if I let anyone down by acting childish in my own house, I'm sorry.