So I have this idea, (I have never read any scientific facts on it, this is simply a conclusion after a long night of "connecting the dots," so to speak.)

What if, just as there were different branches of humanoid creatures in the timeline of evolution, there are different intelligence levels?  Just as some branches of the humanoids (for example, the neantherdals) died off, some branches of intelligence (a neantherdal like intelligence?) have, and are, dying off?  What if our intelligence is based upon nature, and evolve just as our bodies have?

I wonder, what if some humans are simply able, because of evolution, to be more intelligent than others? (I say able, because environment, and education do eventually factor into that.  Nature vs. Nuture.)

Of course, that leads into dangerous territory, because if it is, humans will attempt to manipulate that, and perhaps use it to validate genocides and the like.

Just a thought.

I imagine that is so.  I'm told I would correct my great aunt while she was reading me a Dr. Seuss book if she missed a word.  At the age of 2.  Had the whole book memorized.  I certainly didn't work at it, it just was.

Could be an evolved intelligence, or it could be attributed to simple memorization.

We wont know until someone comes up with a better way of testing beyond some arbitrary IQ test.  But again, I think, considering humanity in general is not as evolved as our technology, that would lead to dangerous territory, especially if it was discovered that those with highly evolved intelligence were by far the minority.  Then there is the potential for those of the majority, and less evolved intelligence, to simply do away with the highly evolved minority, out of fear that the intelligent ones might attempt to do the same with them. 

Ever see the movie "Idiocracy?"  Most people call it a comedy.  To me it's a horror film.

I haven't, my film experience is actually very limited in relation to the majority of other people. 

So I went and read the synopsis, and though I am amused (because it is the Eugenic supporter's nightmare come to life,), the fact that it might be a possibility is indeed frightening. 

But if such a thing were to happen, the death rate would eventually increase, and the birth rate decrease as knowledge of medicine was lost over time, so perhaps that would result in humanity regaining a balance with nature, instead of over-running and attempting to control nature.  And then the cycle would start all over again.

Okay, so the movie is based upon dysgenics...

Fascinating stuff that I want to read more about, however I came across the theory that the more children you have, the more likely you are to pass on your negative traits (gene traits).  Some of those genes are believed to contribute to one's intelligence, (a positive trait), and so the more children you have, the less of the "intelligent gene" (my name, not scientific) there is to pass around.

This is called the "Flynn Effect."

So such a situation is possible, theoretically.  Perhaps China has something in limiting the amount of children a couple can have? 

ock writes:

Ock,

I certainly believe in prayer and in miracles....here is a current newstory from the Wichita Eagle on both.  

Is it a miracle that Colwich man survived?

Colwich athlete's story catches eye of Vatican investigator

BY ROY WENZL

The Wichita Eagle

COLWICH - "Chase survived in part because hundreds of people prayed to Father Emil Kapaun to intercede on his behalf. It was absolutely a miracle." — Paula Kear, Chase's mother

People in Colwich like to touch Chase Kear's arm or his shoulder with their fingers. Or they hug him. "Miracle Man," they say. "Let me touch the miracle." With anybody else in Colwich, this would be just talk. But it's not just talk to the Vatican.

Prompted in part by what the Kear family has said publicly, and partly by a preliminary investigation begun by the Catholic Diocese of Wichita, a Vatican investigator named Andrea Ambrosi will arrive from Italy in Wichita on Friday.

He will investigate on behalf of the church in Rome whether 20-year-old Chase Kear's survival qualifies as a miracle; whether he survived a severe head injury last year in part because his family and hundreds of friends successfully prayed thousands of prayers to the soul of Father Emil Kapaun, a U.S. Army chaplain from Pilsen, Kan., who died a hero in the Korean War.

Ambrosi, a lawyer by training, is coming here to thoroughly "and skeptically" investigate whether Chase's story is a miracle, said the Rev. John Hotze, the judicial vicar for the Wichita diocese. The church requires miracles to elevate a person to sainthood.

Hotze has investigated Kapaun's proposed sainthood for eight years, which is only a fraction of the time the church has been considering whether to elevate Kapaun to sainthood.

Soldiers came out of prisoner-of-war camps in 1953 with incredible stories about Kapaun's heroism and faith. Across Kansas, his memory is kept alive at Wichita's Kapaun Mount Carmel High School, in his hometown of Pilsen and elsewhere.

Kapaun is so well-known and so highly regarded by area Catholics that the diocese has received other reports of miracles involving Kapaun, Hotze said. Ambrosi on Friday will consult area physicians in at least three such cases, including Chase's, Hotze said.

Only two American-born people have ever been canonized as saints. For sainthood, the church will require at least one and possibly two miracles be proven on Kapaun's behalf, depending on whether he died a martyr, something the church is also trying to determine.

Among people that Ambrosi will consult on Friday will be Chase's neurosurgeon, Raymond Grundmeyer, who said in a brief e-mail last week that he considers Chase's survival a miracle.

If Ambrosi's report concurs, more church officials would still have to evaluate the case, but it would further a cause that Kapaun's fellow prisoners of war and Catholic Church officials have carried on for years: to persuade the church to declare Father Kapaun a saint.

"There is no doubt in anyone's mind in our family that Father Kapaun helped save our son," Paula Kear said of Chase, who is making a full recovery. "We were told at least three or four times in those first two days that Chase wasn't going to make it.

"Dr. Grundmeyer did a great job in saving him, but even he said he couldn't explain why he survived."

Father Kapaun

Kapaun was a chaplain assigned to the U.S. Army's Eighth Cavalry regiment, which was surrounded and overrun by the Chinese army in North Korea in October and November 1951.

Kapaun became a hero, rescuing wounded soldiers from the battlefield and risking death by preventing Chinese executions of wounded Americans too injured to walk.

He became a hero again in prison camp, stealing food for prisoners, ministering to the sick, saying the rosary for soldiers, defying guards' attempts to indoctrinate soldiers, making pots and pans out of roofing tin so that soldiers could boil snow into drinking water and boil lice out of their filthy clothing.

Hundreds of American prisoners died in the camp of exposure or starvation or illness that first winter. The Chinese guards did nothing to tend Kapaun when he became sick; he died in May 1951, two years before the war ended.

Soldiers who survived have praised Kapaun for decades; some of them have said he deserved not only sainthood but the Medal of Honor, in addition to the lesser Distinguished Service Cross the Army awarded him after his death.

Chase's accident

The Kear family says Kapaun's role in Chase Kear's survival 57 years later began about two hours after their son was injured.

Chase, a member of the Hutchinson Community College track team, fell on his head during pole vaulting practice in October.

By the time a helicopter delivered him to Via Christi Regional Medical Center-St. Francis Campus, his family was already frantically praying as they watched the helicopter land.

Within an hour of that landing, Paula Kear's sister, Linda Wapelhorst, was asking a priest at St. Francis to perform the Catholic sacrament of anointing the sick, which used to be called last rites.

And she was calling Sacred Heart Church in Colwich, asking people there to get everyone in the church praying to Father Kapaun for help.

In the following days, Grundmeyer and others had told the family that Chase's skull had been cracked from ear to ear, that his brain was swelling, and that either the surgery to remove a skull piece or the infection that might follow would probably kill him.

Paula and Paul Kear and dozens of other people made regular trips to the chapel at St. Francis to pray, always with the Father Emil Kapaun prayer.

The Kapaun prayer had become a standard for parishioners in Colwich since a priest from the parish had come down with cancer several months before.

"Father Emil Kapaun gave glory to God by following his call to the priesthood and thus serving the people of Kansas and those in the military," the prayer says. "Father Kapaun, I ask you intercession not only for Chase Kear... but that I too may follow your example of service to God and my neighbor. For the gifts of courage in battle and perseverance of faith, we give you thanks oh Lord."

What happened next, Grundmeyer said last week, was "a miracle."

The family agrees. Only a few weeks after Chase broke his skull, he walked out of a rehabilitation hospital, shaken but alive.

His near-complete recovery stunned all the doctors involved, Paul and Paula Kear said.

"Chase survived in part because hundreds of people prayed to Father Emil Kapaun to intercede on his behalf," Paula Kear said.

"It was absolutely a miracle."

Chase himself says he has little memory of what happened. For interested visitors, he will calmly part his thick hair with his fingers and show the long semi-circular scar that traverses much of the right side of his scalp.

He's working a summer job and plans to coach the pole-vaulters at the Hutchinson Community College. He misses vaulting; he's grateful to Grundmeyer and Kapaun.

"So how does it feel to be a miracle?" his mother asked him last week.

"It feels pretty cool," he said.

Reach Roy Wenzl at 316-268-6219 or rwenzl@wichitaeagle.com.

Um, huh? Prayed to him, not Him?

If people pray and the prayer gets answered, it's a miracle.  If people pray and it doesn't get answered, what then?  You fail at statistics, Lula.

Yes, the appeal is called intecessory prayer. All through the Bible you'll find God conferring favors through the prayers of others.  

That are praying to people...not God.

Our prayers always get answered...we just may not understand how or they are answered but not in the way we expect. They are always answered for our own good though.

You just keep on praying that God's will be done for prayer is itself part of God's providence. He has decreed that many benefits will depend upon our praying for them . We don't pray to inform God of our needs, for He already knows them. We pray to fulfill a condition laid down by God for our own sakes. Apart from obtaining benefits and blessings, together with His protection and consolation in difficulties, by prayer we express our love of God and our gratitude toward Him.  

Why does your god hate amputees?  Have some guy missing an arm or leg go to church have everyone in the church pray real hard and if the sprouts a new limb I'll be a believer. Is that too much to ask?

Believing in a god is not the problem it's the various religions that were invented around the idea by men of power and used quite effectively as a means of control that can be harmful to society.  Reality is though many people do need behavioral guidelines to function in a society, many others are not emotionally strong enough to live without the more comforting aspects of religion. For the more competent having a large ego can make it impossible for them to accept that the wonderfulness of them could ever just cease to exist. This in part explains the rarity of atheism amongst politicians and leaders in general.  Ironically it has been shown “Duncan Kruger effect” that the less competent an individual actually is the higher they will rate their own competence and unfortunately confidence is a quality that we look for in our leaders.

The question of whether or not religion is a positive or negative influence on society is mute, it will simply have to run its course.  In the last 20 years Christianity in America has declined from 85% to 75%, if that trend continues and I believe that it will as our understanding of the world grows, a 100 years from now it will be marginalized.

I don't understand why so many believers attempt to add credibility to their beliefs by trying to paint intelligent people as believers. Einstein had no more insight into the question of the existence of a god than the most feeble minded amongst us. How can intelligence help you know the unknowable?

Noooot exactly ...we are praying asking others to intercede on our behalf...

The first line in the story is Chase survived in part becasue hundreds of people prayed to Fr. Kapuan to intercede on his behalf.

the prayer says..."Father Kapuan, I ask your intercession not only for Chase Kear....

"Chase survived in part because hundreds of people prayed to Father Emil Kapaun to intercede on his behalf," Paula Kear said.